A "Country Club" Repub from Naples .... What can be Expected??? They live in a Gated Community-Bubble and the idea of the Peasants strolling about with Gunz on their belts is just sooo uncivilized in polite society.
Except the Peasant Society is sometimes impolite to say the least.
As far as the Majority of FL Sheriffs .... They Originally Opposed Concealed Carry and Favored Open Carry, but Switched for some reason still unexplained to me.
These supposedly "Conservative" Repub Sheriffs are more Polezi Oriented than Constitutional Oriented, and Many/Most have the "Peasant" viewpoint of Citizens as well, imo.
Who Knows??? The Sheriffs Avoid these Topics when running for sElection as "Vote Repub" is their Only platform....... and they Still get Elected, as Primary Opposition is minimal to none.
In Summary, I suppose "A People Get The Gov They Deserve".
GA has Open /Constitutional Carry and No Red Flag Laws (yet).
BTW, I seldom see any "Open Carry" in GA, but it does Protect against AgreSSive Polezi charging Concealed Carry people with "Printing" or momentary "Exposure."
"I Feel Your Pain", I lived in FL for 25 years, had a Carry License and a Security Weapons License.
As far as Sheriffs go, I think most are Really Closet Democrats, so their "policies" please the Dims, while their Repub Party label gets them the Repub vote.
It's the only thing they fear. If she's got her reelection locked up literally nothing will change. Politicians should be afraid of worse things than that, but we've become far too polite.
I know litigation is making strides right now (despite some irritating setbacks) but the problem is they're stealing our money to fight against restoration of our rights from these illegal laws. One sometimes hearkens back to the era of 'Pour encourager les autres.'
While I have been on the fence somewhat over open carry, and basically because some people refuse to use proper discretion just because you can doesn't mean you should, I have found myself walking out the door with my gun on my belt open.
Where I live out in St. John's County when I go for a walk there is no reason my sidearm needs to be concealed, no one else lives on my end of the street, a dirt road, no traffic, etc., but if I was to open carry it would be illegal, and no I'm not carrying a fishing rod.
Should someone open carry in Publix or Winn Dixie probably not, but on the other hand with the stupid printing rule what difference does it make.
I wonder what the St. John's County sheriff thinks about this, his mother cuts our hair and she's pretty conservative but not a gun person.
It is my understanding that when the concealed carry legislation was passed that there was a provision that your firearm could not be outlined by clothing, such as a T-shirt. I may be incorrect about that, but that was my impression..
I have studied this subject extensively in preparation for teaching my classes before and after the new unlicensed conceal carry law begin last July 1st. According to FL SS 790.053 a 'qualified person under the new law, can 'briefly and openly display a firearm in the ordinary sight of another person' as long as it's not in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
And in FL SS 790.10 "Improper Exhibition of a Firearm" is in the context of a .....rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner not necessary in self-defense.
"Printing of a Firearm" is not addressed directly in any Florida law, but the word, "Conceal" is defined in FL SS 790.001 (2) Concealed Firearm, in such a manner to conceal from the ordinary sight of another person.
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The key wording is, "Ordinary Sight" and "Intentional" is used in SS 790.053 regarding 'Open Carrying' and brief and openly displays to ordinary persons' sight in an "Intentional" angry, threatening manner.
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So as is the case with many Florida laws wordings, which are somewhat ambiguous, Printing is not a problem and there's no case law in the 67 counties since 790.053 and 790.10 came into existence. HOWEVER, it is my advice that you do not wear a see-thru covering which allows clear vision of a weapon, which would reasonably be the opposite of the root definition of the word "Conceal".
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When and if, I get asked if that bulge in my jacket or shirt is a firearm I always say, it's a large cell phone holder on my belt. In almost twenty years I've only been asked this question two or three times, and always by prospective customers or clients.
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So if you make an attempt to Conceal, it produces at the most, doubt, about what is under the Scotsman's kilt.
Okay, I understand all of this, but I do remember something, somewhere, sometime, about "printing" of the firearm. Yes, the laws are ambiguous so THEY can use them if necessary for whatever THEIR agenda might be. The Red Flag Laws are like that, oh, there's a Sherriff in one of the counties up here in middle FL, supposedly a Pro-2A guy but he loves the Red Flag law and uses it!
I am in Highlands County and am familiar with all surrounding counties. Which county are you in? I have searched for cases where Printing was addressed, and so far I've found none. Now, it is true that any law enforcement officer could attempt to use Printing to justify a fishing expedition for charges which could stick under a prosecutor's investigation, but if 'conceal precedence' cases were argued in court, that prosecutor would lose the case.
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Printing is impossible under Florida law "if" there is a non-transparent layer of clothing covering it. Any legal jurisdiction which prosecutes such a case, will lose and could be sued by the defendant, and would win that suit.
She IS a lawyer. And she's from New Jersey. It could be worse - she might have been from Maryland or Minnesota.
I'm not sure if he can do so, but DeSantis should implement an executive order declaring that law enforcement in Florida must respect the Constitution they swore to defend. Including all of the Bill of Rights and ESPECIALLY the 2nd Amendment. In so doing, they should not infringe on the recognized right to bear arms when no illegal activity is present and that any existing laws preventing the full exercise of that right are unconstitutional.
Excellent Idea !!! The 2nd Amendment should not be secondary to "State" law, And a Governor as the Executive could issue such an order, or the Atty Gen could decline prosecutions (like the democRat Soros prosecutors do :-)
"Litigation is probably more Effective than Legislation" as Lee stated.
DeSantis said that before the end of his second term was over he would sign into law “constitutional carry” not permitless concealed carry . This really explains a lot.
Did he say it that way, or did he say he would immediately sign the bill the legislature presented to him - it's not his legislature, it's ours. (technically - the legislators don't seem to operate that way)
I agree with GenEarly. Most of these sheriffs would rather no one had guns. Don’t get fooled thinking law enforcement is on your side. Shame that Colorado has looser gun laws than us in FL. In Colorado it’s not unusual to see someone anywhere with a gun. And when they did that crime went down. I don’t understand why you HAVE to carry concealed. What’s the advantage there? Not to scare anyone? Wouldn’t a cop rather see that you have a gun?
Yeah, and they're doing it deliberately because they can use all of their tax plunder to litigate and SAF and GOA have to rely on people like US sending in modest donations every time we get an alert from them.
Passidomo is a waste of time. She's term limited and session ends in four weeks. She doesn't care and isn't held accountable to anyone. Going after her is a waste of time and resources.
Instead, go after DeSantis and don't let up on him.
Passidomo is term limited. Going after her is a waste of time. In four weeks, she doesn't care since session is over. DeSantis is the real person you should go after.
She also was the main driver of the CWL in FL, and I don't think she wanted to lose that. She's also a LaPierre crony, I respect for her years ago but not so much anymore.
She's carrying on the anti-open-carry nonsense fostered by her immediate predecessor, egg farmer and super scumbag Wilton Simpson, Florida Senate president 20-22 and now Florida Commissioner of Agriculture.
A "Country Club" Repub from Naples .... What can be Expected??? They live in a Gated Community-Bubble and the idea of the Peasants strolling about with Gunz on their belts is just sooo uncivilized in polite society.
Except the Peasant Society is sometimes impolite to say the least.
As far as the Majority of FL Sheriffs .... They Originally Opposed Concealed Carry and Favored Open Carry, but Switched for some reason still unexplained to me.
These supposedly "Conservative" Repub Sheriffs are more Polezi Oriented than Constitutional Oriented, and Many/Most have the "Peasant" viewpoint of Citizens as well, imo.
Who Knows??? The Sheriffs Avoid these Topics when running for sElection as "Vote Repub" is their Only platform....... and they Still get Elected, as Primary Opposition is minimal to none.
In Summary, I suppose "A People Get The Gov They Deserve".
GA has Open /Constitutional Carry and No Red Flag Laws (yet).
BTW, I seldom see any "Open Carry" in GA, but it does Protect against AgreSSive Polezi charging Concealed Carry people with "Printing" or momentary "Exposure."
Very well said. Thanks, brother. As you can probably guess, we're tired of this crap here in Florida.
"I Feel Your Pain", I lived in FL for 25 years, had a Carry License and a Security Weapons License.
As far as Sheriffs go, I think most are Really Closet Democrats, so their "policies" please the Dims, while their Repub Party label gets them the Repub vote.
Pinellas County is a prime example.
Is she vulnerable to a primary challenge?
Unsure. I shall let you know.
It's the only thing they fear. If she's got her reelection locked up literally nothing will change. Politicians should be afraid of worse things than that, but we've become far too polite.
That's exactly it, brother. Since I started at SAF, I learned the benefits of litigation rather than legislation.
I know litigation is making strides right now (despite some irritating setbacks) but the problem is they're stealing our money to fight against restoration of our rights from these illegal laws. One sometimes hearkens back to the era of 'Pour encourager les autres.'
Amen. Let us know. I’ll help fund her opponent.
While I have been on the fence somewhat over open carry, and basically because some people refuse to use proper discretion just because you can doesn't mean you should, I have found myself walking out the door with my gun on my belt open.
Where I live out in St. John's County when I go for a walk there is no reason my sidearm needs to be concealed, no one else lives on my end of the street, a dirt road, no traffic, etc., but if I was to open carry it would be illegal, and no I'm not carrying a fishing rod.
Should someone open carry in Publix or Winn Dixie probably not, but on the other hand with the stupid printing rule what difference does it make.
I wonder what the St. John's County sheriff thinks about this, his mother cuts our hair and she's pretty conservative but not a gun person.
Ken, you mentioned a Printing Rule in Florida, please elaborate,
It is my understanding that when the concealed carry legislation was passed that there was a provision that your firearm could not be outlined by clothing, such as a T-shirt. I may be incorrect about that, but that was my impression..
I have studied this subject extensively in preparation for teaching my classes before and after the new unlicensed conceal carry law begin last July 1st. According to FL SS 790.053 a 'qualified person under the new law, can 'briefly and openly display a firearm in the ordinary sight of another person' as long as it's not in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.
And in FL SS 790.10 "Improper Exhibition of a Firearm" is in the context of a .....rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner not necessary in self-defense.
"Printing of a Firearm" is not addressed directly in any Florida law, but the word, "Conceal" is defined in FL SS 790.001 (2) Concealed Firearm, in such a manner to conceal from the ordinary sight of another person.
.
The key wording is, "Ordinary Sight" and "Intentional" is used in SS 790.053 regarding 'Open Carrying' and brief and openly displays to ordinary persons' sight in an "Intentional" angry, threatening manner.
.
So as is the case with many Florida laws wordings, which are somewhat ambiguous, Printing is not a problem and there's no case law in the 67 counties since 790.053 and 790.10 came into existence. HOWEVER, it is my advice that you do not wear a see-thru covering which allows clear vision of a weapon, which would reasonably be the opposite of the root definition of the word "Conceal".
.
When and if, I get asked if that bulge in my jacket or shirt is a firearm I always say, it's a large cell phone holder on my belt. In almost twenty years I've only been asked this question two or three times, and always by prospective customers or clients.
.
So if you make an attempt to Conceal, it produces at the most, doubt, about what is under the Scotsman's kilt.
Okay, I understand all of this, but I do remember something, somewhere, sometime, about "printing" of the firearm. Yes, the laws are ambiguous so THEY can use them if necessary for whatever THEIR agenda might be. The Red Flag Laws are like that, oh, there's a Sherriff in one of the counties up here in middle FL, supposedly a Pro-2A guy but he loves the Red Flag law and uses it!
I am in Highlands County and am familiar with all surrounding counties. Which county are you in? I have searched for cases where Printing was addressed, and so far I've found none. Now, it is true that any law enforcement officer could attempt to use Printing to justify a fishing expedition for charges which could stick under a prosecutor's investigation, but if 'conceal precedence' cases were argued in court, that prosecutor would lose the case.
.
Printing is impossible under Florida law "if" there is a non-transparent layer of clothing covering it. Any legal jurisdiction which prosecutes such a case, will lose and could be sued by the defendant, and would win that suit.
She IS a lawyer. And she's from New Jersey. It could be worse - she might have been from Maryland or Minnesota.
I'm not sure if he can do so, but DeSantis should implement an executive order declaring that law enforcement in Florida must respect the Constitution they swore to defend. Including all of the Bill of Rights and ESPECIALLY the 2nd Amendment. In so doing, they should not infringe on the recognized right to bear arms when no illegal activity is present and that any existing laws preventing the full exercise of that right are unconstitutional.
I hope he takes action.
Excellent Idea !!! The 2nd Amendment should not be secondary to "State" law, And a Governor as the Executive could issue such an order, or the Atty Gen could decline prosecutions (like the democRat Soros prosecutors do :-)
"Litigation is probably more Effective than Legislation" as Lee stated.
DeSantis said that before the end of his second term was over he would sign into law “constitutional carry” not permitless concealed carry . This really explains a lot.
Did he say it that way, or did he say he would immediately sign the bill the legislature presented to him - it's not his legislature, it's ours. (technically - the legislators don't seem to operate that way)
I don't open carry, because I want to surprise the scumbag that threatens me.
However, I don't want to be arrested/charged, just because the gun is
accidently/ inadvertently exposed and this has happened to innocent law
abiding people. Maybe, we should always carry a fishing rod. I read that
someone did this just irritate the anti-gun crowd.
I agree with GenEarly. Most of these sheriffs would rather no one had guns. Don’t get fooled thinking law enforcement is on your side. Shame that Colorado has looser gun laws than us in FL. In Colorado it’s not unusual to see someone anywhere with a gun. And when they did that crime went down. I don’t understand why you HAVE to carry concealed. What’s the advantage there? Not to scare anyone? Wouldn’t a cop rather see that you have a gun?
These assholes are using public time and money to pass unconstitutional laws
and we are spending OUR time and money trying to overturn them. We should
file lawsuits against these assholes, such that they will have to defend themselves
on THEIR time and dime. Then they wiil be too busy and poor to pass asinine laws.
Yeah, and they're doing it deliberately because they can use all of their tax plunder to litigate and SAF and GOA have to rely on people like US sending in modest donations every time we get an alert from them.
Passidomo is a waste of time. She's term limited and session ends in four weeks. She doesn't care and isn't held accountable to anyone. Going after her is a waste of time and resources.
Instead, go after DeSantis and don't let up on him.
Passidomo is term limited. Going after her is a waste of time. In four weeks, she doesn't care since session is over. DeSantis is the real person you should go after.
I don't how you all feel but I feel like the only thing holding up "permitless carry" was Marion Hamer and the NRA.
She backed the bumpstock ban and was against permitless carry because it would cut into NRA certified CCW classes.
She also was the main driver of the CWL in FL, and I don't think she wanted to lose that. She's also a LaPierre crony, I respect for her years ago but not so much anymore.
She's carrying on the anti-open-carry nonsense fostered by her immediate predecessor, egg farmer and super scumbag Wilton Simpson, Florida Senate president 20-22 and now Florida Commissioner of Agriculture.