Yeah, but..... the left is more radical than ever and DeSantis is a prime target. I get the symbolism, but if it was a private event then I'd rather for him to be safe. As a former President, DJT has armed security and metal dectectors present at all of his rallies and I've never heard any complaints
I understand the frustration and apparent hypocrisy, I truly do. In his defense, however, he is a PRIME target for assassination. I'm as sure as can be that is the motivation for his decision. I troll through other places on the web gathering intel as I go, same as FDLE does, and the rhetoric against him is pretty brutal. The left is positively TERRIFIED of him.
OTOH, if he were removed , one of our last hopes would be extinguished and then where would we be? You HAVE to look at the other side of this equation. I didn't say I liked it, but I DO understand it.
I get ya but that is a terrible precedent to set. It would allow any politician anywhere to ban guns because they claim they're at risk. We cannot do that. Look at the stats. Licensed concealed carriers are not a threat. Also, gun free zones kill. These infringements need to be called out wherever and whenever they happen or they will continue, especially in Florida, where the R's infringe on our 2A rights as often as the D's.
Thanks for the reply , Lee. I appreciate your writing as always, and the rest of the 'net should take note on conversations like this to see how to disagree in a civil and respectful manner.
So we don’t know if he knew, correct? He has appeared at places where carry is allowed or not able to be easily controlled so it seems odd he would care. This is very concerning to me though. I do agree that an unhinged leftist would try and kill him but this is still unacceptable. We should not have an elite like that in this country.
Florida's concealed carry law itself specifically names 15 gun-free zones. Other than the absurdly ill-defined "11. Any career center", I can find no such statutory location that even comes near our venue in question. Perhaps No. 11 could stretch if we're talking about DeSantis' political prospects and future, but clearly that would be another absurd bridge too far.
Here are Florida's 15 statutory gun-free zones. You decide if you think there's anything there that matches our venue in question.
Florida Statute 790.06 Section 12a - A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; [*See footnote]
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
America is a republic of written laws, not verbal edicts from somewhere on high as one would find in a kingdom or dictatorship.
I listed Florida's 15 statutory gun-free zones and can find no location in any of them that would match the venue where DeSantis would speak.
If it's not written down in a statute, then it's not law. Period. I'm sure if you think about it you'll see the importance of that distinction.
HOWEVER, don't let that veer you away from the reality of what actually would happen if you showed the gatekeepers your CCW and tried to proceed. They'd throw you out on your ass and maybe even lock you up.
"The $60-per-plate fundraiser was organized by the Alachua County Republican Executive Committee and held in the Legacy Park Multipurpose Center — a public building owned by the city of Alachua, which is taxpayer funded and supported.
"Before they were allowed inside, private security officers with metal detectors searched every single attendee.
"Alachua Police confirmed that firearms were prohibited inside the public-owned building. One APD officer said the barbecue was a 'private event.'"
Private cops telling Florida concealed-carry license holders they can't enter a publicly owned building?
It may be a private event but that's a publicly owned building and not a statutory gun-free zone.
It's an illegal denial, or at best a major infringement of Florida citizens' licensure to carry concealed weapons anywhere NOT specifically among those 15 statutory gun-free zones I listed.
And it's serious enough that it MUST be ultimately resolved with a clear official explanation.
Governments and law enforcement upper-echelon administrators are constantly blithely tossing around politically correct crap that in no way actually enjoys the statutory force of law.
The citizenry needs to nip that nonsense in the bud whenever and wherever it's encountered.
I think you misunderstand what the rental contract allows the renter to accomplish. When paying the fee for rental, the renter acquires many responsibilities but also has certain privileges. One of which is to determine who is allowed entry and what qualifications those who are allowed to enter must meet. The government isn't allowed to declare it a gun-free zone, but the renter is most certainly allowed to do so, and the may put other restrictions as well. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to demand payment for entry.
Whenever someone rents a public building for a private function, they're required to sign an agreement and prove they've got proper insurance and such. The taxpayer isn't supposed to cover liability for any private events.
Thanks for tracking this. I emailed the Governor... not that I expect anything to change!
Thanks for reading. If we have a strong enough response, he'll have to respond.
Yeah, but..... the left is more radical than ever and DeSantis is a prime target. I get the symbolism, but if it was a private event then I'd rather for him to be safe. As a former President, DJT has armed security and metal dectectors present at all of his rallies and I've never heard any complaints
I understand the frustration and apparent hypocrisy, I truly do. In his defense, however, he is a PRIME target for assassination. I'm as sure as can be that is the motivation for his decision. I troll through other places on the web gathering intel as I go, same as FDLE does, and the rhetoric against him is pretty brutal. The left is positively TERRIFIED of him.
OTOH, if he were removed , one of our last hopes would be extinguished and then where would we be? You HAVE to look at the other side of this equation. I didn't say I liked it, but I DO understand it.
I get ya but that is a terrible precedent to set. It would allow any politician anywhere to ban guns because they claim they're at risk. We cannot do that. Look at the stats. Licensed concealed carriers are not a threat. Also, gun free zones kill. These infringements need to be called out wherever and whenever they happen or they will continue, especially in Florida, where the R's infringe on our 2A rights as often as the D's.
Thanks for the reply , Lee. I appreciate your writing as always, and the rest of the 'net should take note on conversations like this to see how to disagree in a civil and respectful manner.
Freedom can be Dangerous but we can't bend when it comes to freedom.
Freedom must prevail over fear.
So we don’t know if he knew, correct? He has appeared at places where carry is allowed or not able to be easily controlled so it seems odd he would care. This is very concerning to me though. I do agree that an unhinged leftist would try and kill him but this is still unacceptable. We should not have an elite like that in this country.
Yet during the Florida homeschool day at the Florida state capitol building, i carried! 🤗 emailing GOA/Florida to see if they'll respond to this.
Florida's concealed carry law itself specifically names 15 gun-free zones. Other than the absurdly ill-defined "11. Any career center", I can find no such statutory location that even comes near our venue in question. Perhaps No. 11 could stretch if we're talking about DeSantis' political prospects and future, but clearly that would be another absurd bridge too far.
Here are Florida's 15 statutory gun-free zones. You decide if you think there's anything there that matches our venue in question.
Florida Statute 790.06 Section 12a - A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; [*See footnote]
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
* Florida Statute 823.05:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2020/823.05
Would someone explain, please, how this gun-free zone is illegal?
The parties setting the conditions aren't acting as a government agency, are they?
I'm not winding you up, I really want to understand this.
America is a republic of written laws, not verbal edicts from somewhere on high as one would find in a kingdom or dictatorship.
I listed Florida's 15 statutory gun-free zones and can find no location in any of them that would match the venue where DeSantis would speak.
If it's not written down in a statute, then it's not law. Period. I'm sure if you think about it you'll see the importance of that distinction.
HOWEVER, don't let that veer you away from the reality of what actually would happen if you showed the gatekeepers your CCW and tried to proceed. They'd throw you out on your ass and maybe even lock you up.
Guaranteed.
How does that make it illegal?
Reread what Lee Wrote in the original column:
"The $60-per-plate fundraiser was organized by the Alachua County Republican Executive Committee and held in the Legacy Park Multipurpose Center — a public building owned by the city of Alachua, which is taxpayer funded and supported.
"Before they were allowed inside, private security officers with metal detectors searched every single attendee.
"Alachua Police confirmed that firearms were prohibited inside the public-owned building. One APD officer said the barbecue was a 'private event.'"
Private cops telling Florida concealed-carry license holders they can't enter a publicly owned building?
It may be a private event but that's a publicly owned building and not a statutory gun-free zone.
It's an illegal denial, or at best a major infringement of Florida citizens' licensure to carry concealed weapons anywhere NOT specifically among those 15 statutory gun-free zones I listed.
And it's serious enough that it MUST be ultimately resolved with a clear official explanation.
Governments and law enforcement upper-echelon administrators are constantly blithely tossing around politically correct crap that in no way actually enjoys the statutory force of law.
The citizenry needs to nip that nonsense in the bud whenever and wherever it's encountered.
I think you misunderstand what the rental contract allows the renter to accomplish. When paying the fee for rental, the renter acquires many responsibilities but also has certain privileges. One of which is to determine who is allowed entry and what qualifications those who are allowed to enter must meet. The government isn't allowed to declare it a gun-free zone, but the renter is most certainly allowed to do so, and the may put other restrictions as well. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to demand payment for entry.
What rental contract?
"Stone said the no-guns order was verbal and not included in any written document."
No one has said the county rented or even charged for use of the building.
But your point would be well taken IF such a rental contract with such a clause existed, which would make it a totally private affair.
Whenever someone rents a public building for a private function, they're required to sign an agreement and prove they've got proper insurance and such. The taxpayer isn't supposed to cover liability for any private events.