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Roger J's avatar

Remember the Waco raid in 1993? ATF could have taken Koresh into custody on one of his daily exercise runs outside the compound. Instead they attempted forced entry with lethal consequences, and not only for innocent Branch Davidians. Abolish the ATF and prosecute the criminals which it harbors!

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Sian's avatar

in true thug style, the ATF wanted a win to make people forget the disaster at Ruby Ridge. They wanted a big bust and decisive win, and ended up burning women and children to death, because all they can do is double down.

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Mcpig's avatar

I believe the ATF operates on the principle that high publicity raids can benefit their maneuvering to get more money, staffing, and power from Congress. They are morally bankrupt and need disbanding.

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Sian's avatar
Jul 22Edited

They weren't errors if they were intentionally committed to increase the chances of a deadly force incident.

The AFT was still under the Biden directive to aggressively pursue zero tolerance on the intentionally unclear 'in the business' rule, and I have no doubt whatsoever they wanted to set an example and stoke fear, to make people think twice about trading any guns at all. It's just too perfect a fit for the agency's culture and directives and history to consider any other motive for the decisions they made that day. Our options are "Actively evil" or "So grossly incompetent that of all the decisions available they consistently made the worst one" Considering they removed/did not activate a single body camera, something they are by procedure required to do, supports the idea that all this was intentional. (As should be the automatic assumption in any case that mandated recording gear is not used)

Either way the only sane response is that the agency does not deserve to exist.

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Mcpig's avatar

This is how the BATFE operates and has operated since 1971 following expansion of its police powers after the GCA 1968. Starting with the eerily similar shooting of Kenyon Ballew and leading to the Ruby Ridge and Waco debacle this agency has been the loose cannon in Federal law enforcement.

In all those decades, NOTHING has been done to corral the BATFE by multiple administrations nor by Congress. If anything BOTH have expanded the power and scope of the agency mission leading to government sanctioned murders of citizens and financial civil judgements of millions of dollars against it.

WE THE PEOPLE, have allowed a bunch of auditors and tax collectors to morph into a fratricidal collection of Constitutionally violating, law ignoring, poorly trained, alleged LEOs to become a political weapon against our own interests and our people. SHAME ON US!

Speaking from 50 years as an LEO I can ⁸

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Mcpig's avatar

say with confidence that had any of my agencies people done the same as in the Malinovski case, we, supervisors and agents alike would be on the inside of a Federal or state prison looking out.

If George Floyds arrest related death was murder and violation of his civil rights, so were the inexcusable killings at Ruby Ridge, Waco, and now that of Mr. Malinovski. WHEN DO THESE REPEATED TRAVESTIES OF JUSTICE STOP?

It is clearly past time for it to stop and to return the ATF organization to Treasury as unarmed regulatory auditors and tax collectors.

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Cheramie III%'s avatar

Use them in immigration they are already trained and we definitely need more of them ‼️‼️‼️✝️✝️✝️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 I was thinking the same thing if they put a cop in prison cuz of a stupid mf od isn’t the cops fault ‼️ Now Ruby Ridge was a bs setup as usual cut that last inch off yourself ‼️

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Cheramie III%'s avatar

Roger that ‼️‼️‼️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️✝️✝️

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Kaycee's avatar

Really? Are they about to change? If so the fucking DOJ should be laying down the red carpet treatment for this man's wife, not represent the government in this case, and charging the ATF for as much as they can possibly charge them and then take the settlement out of ATF budget and shut the whole fucking agency down. Oh yeah, and jail for the murderer of this man, and others complicit in the handling of the whole process. How about that?

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Thomas Tucker's avatar

The fact that the ATF "agents" who planned and conducted this fiasco are not in prison is infuriating. This entire operation needs to be brought to light via a public trial so everyone can see the incompetence that resulted in this travesty.

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David Wiedenmann's avatar

It’s just called government agencies gone awry. That’s what happens when criminal leadership thinks they’re above the law. But I believe those times are about to change. And it can’t happen fast enough. 🙏🇺🇸

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Doris Wise's avatar

I commend you on the work you have done on the death of Bryan Malinowski at the hands of the ATF. I would like to see the ATF abolished (defunding can be refunding), but understand there are hurdles to making that happen. Might there be fewer hurdles by advocating for the removal of firearms oversight from the ATF? Without any possibility of adding the F back in?

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Lee Williams's avatar

Thanks, Doris

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HamburgerToday's avatar

It's time to defund the secret police apparatus in the USA including the FBI.

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Darrin Boyd's avatar

Defund the ATF!

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Lee Williams's avatar

AMEN!

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Open Source Defense's avatar

The vast majority of armed forced-entry raids should never happen.

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Lee Williams's avatar

Exactly! This could have been handled with a phone call.

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Madjack's avatar

This is worth national wide rioting. Our Government is dangerous and out of control. These hyped up enforcers love no knock raids and high impact weapons. Sick

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Mary Farr's avatar

What a fubar event!!! The agent should be fired! He has no ability to be properly trained to do his job! Blow them away is his mentality!

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cody's avatar

No dog? Usually the innocent victim is first alerted to the raid by the shots that kill their harmless pet

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c Anderson's avatar

Cody, Lee reported “Maer repeatedly told the officers that she needed her clothes and medicine and to check on her dogs, and that she needed to use the bathroom.” Makes this even more suspicious that ATF saw Brian as guilty of something instead of conducting just a search.

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Charles Summers's avatar

Vile filthy cowards. Scum.

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Cheramie III%'s avatar

Roger Waco ruby ridge cattle ranchers etc aren’t the problem here but those who can kill Americans without being held accountable unless they’re not white ‼️‼️‼️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️✝️✝️

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