Bullshit. Law enforcement has KNOWN for years that the best way to handle this situation is to immediately engage. Most school shooters fold the second they run into resistance. Hell, most of them nibble on the end of their own gun once the bullets start flying both ways. And the fucking cops in Uvalde has just attended training that reinforced that knowledge. And they still chickened out. So, NO, that’s not the lesson Uvalde taught law enforcement.
Instead, cops learned that they can chicken out, rub hand sanitizer on their grubby paws while kids are actively being shot mere feet away from them, and nothing happens. This was almost 4 years ago. Once the hubbub died down, once the sheer public fury got directed somewhere else, a quiet trial and a not guilty are the result. And I bet that motherfucker ends up suing for back pay too.
There’s still a lot of open questions about this incident. And the Law Vegas one too. Plus many others. Sorry, not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but there’s just too much here that suggest the shooter was a wind-up toy.
Cops have known this forever. It's legal precedent. Shitty articles like this fetishizing the "thin blue line" are the reason that it's not common knowledge.
When I say it's being extremely generous to say he "hesitated" it's on he same level of understatement as calling the take extremely generous, and the policy shift to taking immediate action and engaging the shooter with whatever you've got as soon as possible was codified, at the absolute latest, after Parkland in 2018, and many knew and implemented this years before. Uvalde cops trained on this exact thing earlier that year.
This is just another reminder that police have no duty to save you, or even to ensure that you get medical attention and not bleed out within 2 hours after being shot. If they're too chickenshit to take out an active killer, well you see they just want to go home at the end of the day.
All I can say is that if I had lost a loved one that day, ex-officer Gonzales would need to watch his back for the rest of his goddamned life.
Thats what I have been saying. Until individuals are held accountable this shit will continue. Fooker needs 22BOH.
Most orcs are disgusting creatures. Most orcs are POS and Very few are worth the air they waste daily.
As for school security, my idea is to get some local combat veterans to volunteer to provide security for the school. With a simple ROE, keep the kids safe. Figure out a chain of command, then let them suit up, and do the job.
I would never assume that any LE officer has the guts to run into fire. I have seen and investigated otherwise.
As a combat vet, I learned that regardless of general training, every man is still an individual and must overcome that initial hesitation to act in extraordinary circumstances.
This generation of LE is not akin to the noble warrior type of the past. In fact, one of my friends is a NC state Trooper a former Navy Seal, who is very disgruntled over the way LE is trained today. He said, their more like bullies when their numbers are great, but when alone or in small numbers, they about self-preservation. If you listen to the public rhetoric of LE officials concerning Officer safety, then this is proven.
When I joined the USMC, I knew the risks, coming from a military family. I was conditioned and prepared for that. My morals where proper and self-preservation was last on the list. Duty and service were key.
Les all wake up a moment. Those Former American dispositions are nearly nonexistent today. If they weren’t, we wouldn’t even be in the condition we are today.
One officer here locally was so scared when he saw a fleeting suspect with a handgun, that he emptied his magazine all over downtown hitting every building and several cars on Main Street. It was all about him. He suffered no retribution for that. It’s normal now.
This is a mistaken comparison (in my opinion). Soldiers have a far greater responsibility than LEOs ever will. Soldiers can be court martialed and punished for failing to follow orders and for doing nothing. We hold them to higher standards. We understand that soldiering is a lifestyle, not a job. Policing is no longer that. Legally, it's been proven they have no responsibility. Worst case scenario (for doing nothing), they are fired, and may simply seek employment elsewhere if the situation doesn't garner media attention.
I totally agree with you, we live at a time where there is zero accountability. As long as we keep covering for incompetence, we will continue to get more of it.
As Grady Judd, the longest Serving Sheriff from Polk County said when asked by a reporter why his Deputies shot the suspect, who shot a Polk County deputy and a Barto police officer after exchanging gunfire with a man they say held his parents hostage all day 68 times, he said, we ran out of bullets, I guess. “We shot him a lot.” "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more." That’s the God’s honest truth, and why crime is so low in Polk County.
I am old enough to remember when there was a level of honor attached to wearing uniforms. whether law enforcement or military. Sadly, that is no longer the case. The Supreme Court found that cops have no specific duty to either protect or to serve. It's just a nice slogan that originated with LAPD in the 1960s. It doesn't mean that cops have a duty to actually protect a young student from being shot by a demented assailant. Doing so might put that cop's life at risk and that's not what they signed up for. Lee, I can tell you this: I'm glad I'm old.
Every peace officer, every teacher, and every school administrator should be made to read the book, The First 30 Seconds, by Ed Monk. Ed is a former soldier, LEO, and teacher. In it he details the statistics on school shootings and other mass shooting incidents. If someone isn’t there in the first 30 seconds to deal with the shooter you can expect a very high death rate. The statistics speak for themselves.
You've got a 30 minute window to intervene. After that nearly all the targets will be dead and the shooter will off himself.
Average response time used to be 8-11 minutes from dispatch to arrival on scene for a well staffed municipal department. County Sheriff's usually longer due to time over distance considerations.
So unless you have a school resource officer on campus you'll never come close to 30 SECONDS. And TBH most SROs are 'Officer Friendlies, the ones with even a modicum of 'warrior erhic' stay on the street.
It's easy to second guess other people doing a dangerous job that is rapidly mired in woke BS. All I can say is signup, take the oath, and jump in the mud pit with those of us who stayed.
Evn a school resource officer is not always a good answer. If they're in another building they may not even know something is happening. Armed teachers, like we have here in Utah, are the best solution. If you don't deal with the problem in the first 30 seconds, your number of dead is rapidly going to go to double digits. Monk details all of this with statistics.
Let's face the truth. The reason cops take on the school resource officer job is because it is easy and less dangerous than being on the streets. Most don't take the job because they love engaging with the youth. Or, they are just plain cowards.
You are right that after Columbine we don't wait for tactical teams. That said there are other issues that often interfere with that doctrine. One is lack of training and policy guidelines; the third is command staff. At both Uvalde and Parkland road or staff supervisors issued "standby" orders to officers on scene. If officers disobey those orders and go anyway, and their intervention goes South, those officers are left holding that monkey. The officers failed to obey orders and THEY, not commanders got kids killed will be the story from command. Command WILL throw the officer(s) under the bus to save their own skins.
It is a sad state of affairs but the influx of woke and DEI into command staff who lack backbone or leadership skills over my 50 years service, are more CYA than in my early career. I saw a police chief cry at a presser this week and was embarrassed for him.
Should the Uvalde officers have gone in? Yup, in this old cops opinion.
Do I understand why they did not? Yup.
Too many officer friendlies and too many chicken shit leaders scrambling to avoid the tough calls.
I presume every person who becomes a police officer, especially those who are assigned to specifically protect children, believes that they are ready for anything. When reality strikes most of these individuals will absolutely run to the fire regardless of whether they are killed or wounded.
One can suppose that there will be an occasional individual who will find out that they do not have the guts to move in on an active shooter. Much like soldiers in battle, a very small percentage will cower under fire.
The group of “men” at Uvalde found themselves not only standing down for over an hour but also barred civilians from taking action, some of whom had children in the school.
Regardless of the legal consequences these people will never be able to defend their inaction and my guess is that they will spend the rest of their lives thinking about their egregious mistakes. I not only excoriate them but I also pray for them.
Crassus, a Roman consul, had 500 men who dropped their weapons and ran in the face of the enemy. After the battle, Crassus divided the men into 50 groups of 10. At random one man was chosen from each group. The other 9 were ordered to beat that one to death with iron rods. After that there were no more desertions.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths". I wasn't there, and I can only hope that I would've done the right thing as a LEO and entered the building to stop the slaughter. This man has to live with his choice that day for the rest if his life.
You are absolutely right. As a former LEO it is sickening and embarrassing the level of cowardice this person (I cannot refer to him as a man because no man worth his salt would’ve ever stood there and allowed this to happen) and his department demonstrated in this event. How could any human being, let alone a person that is sworn to Serve and Protect, standby and allow such carnage to take place without any action. obviously another diversity hire gone bad. The only thing that is close to as reprehensible as this person’s actions are the jury of his peers that allowed him to go without punishment. He obviously was tried by a jury of his peers, like-minded and weak individuals. Two peas in the same pod.
Bullshit. Law enforcement has KNOWN for years that the best way to handle this situation is to immediately engage. Most school shooters fold the second they run into resistance. Hell, most of them nibble on the end of their own gun once the bullets start flying both ways. And the fucking cops in Uvalde has just attended training that reinforced that knowledge. And they still chickened out. So, NO, that’s not the lesson Uvalde taught law enforcement.
Instead, cops learned that they can chicken out, rub hand sanitizer on their grubby paws while kids are actively being shot mere feet away from them, and nothing happens. This was almost 4 years ago. Once the hubbub died down, once the sheer public fury got directed somewhere else, a quiet trial and a not guilty are the result. And I bet that motherfucker ends up suing for back pay too.
There’s still a lot of open questions about this incident. And the Law Vegas one too. Plus many others. Sorry, not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but there’s just too much here that suggest the shooter was a wind-up toy.
Cops have known this forever. It's legal precedent. Shitty articles like this fetishizing the "thin blue line" are the reason that it's not common knowledge.
"Fetishizing the thin blue line?" Moi? LOL!
When I say it's being extremely generous to say he "hesitated" it's on he same level of understatement as calling the take extremely generous, and the policy shift to taking immediate action and engaging the shooter with whatever you've got as soon as possible was codified, at the absolute latest, after Parkland in 2018, and many knew and implemented this years before. Uvalde cops trained on this exact thing earlier that year.
This is just another reminder that police have no duty to save you, or even to ensure that you get medical attention and not bleed out within 2 hours after being shot. If they're too chickenshit to take out an active killer, well you see they just want to go home at the end of the day.
All I can say is that if I had lost a loved one that day, ex-officer Gonzales would need to watch his back for the rest of his goddamned life.
Thats what I have been saying. Until individuals are held accountable this shit will continue. Fooker needs 22BOH.
Most orcs are disgusting creatures. Most orcs are POS and Very few are worth the air they waste daily.
As for school security, my idea is to get some local combat veterans to volunteer to provide security for the school. With a simple ROE, keep the kids safe. Figure out a chain of command, then let them suit up, and do the job.
I would never assume that any LE officer has the guts to run into fire. I have seen and investigated otherwise.
As a combat vet, I learned that regardless of general training, every man is still an individual and must overcome that initial hesitation to act in extraordinary circumstances.
This generation of LE is not akin to the noble warrior type of the past. In fact, one of my friends is a NC state Trooper a former Navy Seal, who is very disgruntled over the way LE is trained today. He said, their more like bullies when their numbers are great, but when alone or in small numbers, they about self-preservation. If you listen to the public rhetoric of LE officials concerning Officer safety, then this is proven.
When I joined the USMC, I knew the risks, coming from a military family. I was conditioned and prepared for that. My morals where proper and self-preservation was last on the list. Duty and service were key.
Les all wake up a moment. Those Former American dispositions are nearly nonexistent today. If they weren’t, we wouldn’t even be in the condition we are today.
One officer here locally was so scared when he saw a fleeting suspect with a handgun, that he emptied his magazine all over downtown hitting every building and several cars on Main Street. It was all about him. He suffered no retribution for that. It’s normal now.
This is a mistaken comparison (in my opinion). Soldiers have a far greater responsibility than LEOs ever will. Soldiers can be court martialed and punished for failing to follow orders and for doing nothing. We hold them to higher standards. We understand that soldiering is a lifestyle, not a job. Policing is no longer that. Legally, it's been proven they have no responsibility. Worst case scenario (for doing nothing), they are fired, and may simply seek employment elsewhere if the situation doesn't garner media attention.
I totally agree with you, we live at a time where there is zero accountability. As long as we keep covering for incompetence, we will continue to get more of it.
Cops are generally no better than the culture they are drawn from.
You are your own first responder.
As Grady Judd, the longest Serving Sheriff from Polk County said when asked by a reporter why his Deputies shot the suspect, who shot a Polk County deputy and a Barto police officer after exchanging gunfire with a man they say held his parents hostage all day 68 times, he said, we ran out of bullets, I guess. “We shot him a lot.” "That's all the bullets we had, or we would have shot him more." That’s the God’s honest truth, and why crime is so low in Polk County.
I am old enough to remember when there was a level of honor attached to wearing uniforms. whether law enforcement or military. Sadly, that is no longer the case. The Supreme Court found that cops have no specific duty to either protect or to serve. It's just a nice slogan that originated with LAPD in the 1960s. It doesn't mean that cops have a duty to actually protect a young student from being shot by a demented assailant. Doing so might put that cop's life at risk and that's not what they signed up for. Lee, I can tell you this: I'm glad I'm old.
Every peace officer, every teacher, and every school administrator should be made to read the book, The First 30 Seconds, by Ed Monk. Ed is a former soldier, LEO, and teacher. In it he details the statistics on school shootings and other mass shooting incidents. If someone isn’t there in the first 30 seconds to deal with the shooter you can expect a very high death rate. The statistics speak for themselves.
You've got a 30 minute window to intervene. After that nearly all the targets will be dead and the shooter will off himself.
Average response time used to be 8-11 minutes from dispatch to arrival on scene for a well staffed municipal department. County Sheriff's usually longer due to time over distance considerations.
So unless you have a school resource officer on campus you'll never come close to 30 SECONDS. And TBH most SROs are 'Officer Friendlies, the ones with even a modicum of 'warrior erhic' stay on the street.
It's easy to second guess other people doing a dangerous job that is rapidly mired in woke BS. All I can say is signup, take the oath, and jump in the mud pit with those of us who stayed.
Evn a school resource officer is not always a good answer. If they're in another building they may not even know something is happening. Armed teachers, like we have here in Utah, are the best solution. If you don't deal with the problem in the first 30 seconds, your number of dead is rapidly going to go to double digits. Monk details all of this with statistics.
Let's face the truth. The reason cops take on the school resource officer job is because it is easy and less dangerous than being on the streets. Most don't take the job because they love engaging with the youth. Or, they are just plain cowards.
You are right that after Columbine we don't wait for tactical teams. That said there are other issues that often interfere with that doctrine. One is lack of training and policy guidelines; the third is command staff. At both Uvalde and Parkland road or staff supervisors issued "standby" orders to officers on scene. If officers disobey those orders and go anyway, and their intervention goes South, those officers are left holding that monkey. The officers failed to obey orders and THEY, not commanders got kids killed will be the story from command. Command WILL throw the officer(s) under the bus to save their own skins.
It is a sad state of affairs but the influx of woke and DEI into command staff who lack backbone or leadership skills over my 50 years service, are more CYA than in my early career. I saw a police chief cry at a presser this week and was embarrassed for him.
Should the Uvalde officers have gone in? Yup, in this old cops opinion.
Do I understand why they did not? Yup.
Too many officer friendlies and too many chicken shit leaders scrambling to avoid the tough calls.
I presume every person who becomes a police officer, especially those who are assigned to specifically protect children, believes that they are ready for anything. When reality strikes most of these individuals will absolutely run to the fire regardless of whether they are killed or wounded.
One can suppose that there will be an occasional individual who will find out that they do not have the guts to move in on an active shooter. Much like soldiers in battle, a very small percentage will cower under fire.
The group of “men” at Uvalde found themselves not only standing down for over an hour but also barred civilians from taking action, some of whom had children in the school.
Regardless of the legal consequences these people will never be able to defend their inaction and my guess is that they will spend the rest of their lives thinking about their egregious mistakes. I not only excoriate them but I also pray for them.
Crassus, a Roman consul, had 500 men who dropped their weapons and ran in the face of the enemy. After the battle, Crassus divided the men into 50 groups of 10. At random one man was chosen from each group. The other 9 were ordered to beat that one to death with iron rods. After that there were no more desertions.
If you can't swim, don't be the lifeguard
"A coward dies a thousand deaths". I wasn't there, and I can only hope that I would've done the right thing as a LEO and entered the building to stop the slaughter. This man has to live with his choice that day for the rest if his life.
You are absolutely right. As a former LEO it is sickening and embarrassing the level of cowardice this person (I cannot refer to him as a man because no man worth his salt would’ve ever stood there and allowed this to happen) and his department demonstrated in this event. How could any human being, let alone a person that is sworn to Serve and Protect, standby and allow such carnage to take place without any action. obviously another diversity hire gone bad. The only thing that is close to as reprehensible as this person’s actions are the jury of his peers that allowed him to go without punishment. He obviously was tried by a jury of his peers, like-minded and weak individuals. Two peas in the same pod.
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