Bill would let police ‘briefly seize’ firearms during domestics
The latest civil rights abuse from New York.
by Lee Williams
Police in New York want the ability to seize firearms during a domestic violence call — even if no arrests were made. However, instead of going through normal legal channels and obtaining a search warrant or court order, police just want the legal ability to take the guns on their own.
New York State lawmakers plan to reintroduce a bill during the next legislative session that will go farther than the state’s Safe Homes Act of 2020, which allows officers to seize firearms found during a consensual search when police respond to a domestic dispute.
New York State Senator Peter Harckham, a Democrat from Westchester County, has sponsored a bill that would “mandate” officers to confiscate all firearms left out in the open during a domestic call.
“This is not gun control, this is gun safety; and this is domestic safety,” the senator told Spectrum News. “This is keeping the victims of domestic violence alive. We had two fatalities through domestic violence and firearms in my district in the last month. This is very real. This is very deadly, and this is not a permanent seizure.”
Senator Harckham’s bill would allow police to keep the seized weapons for five days — most likely to seek restraining orders or other legal options — before returning them to their rightful owners. Also, police would likely extend this five-day time limit as needed.
Tom King, president of New York State’s Rifle & Pistol Association, balked loudly about the new bill.
“No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law,” King told the reporters. “That means a search warrant or an order from a judge to confiscate the firearms, and they're doing this without that.”
King pointed out the more than 100 New Yorkers who had firearms seized under the state’s newly expanded red-flag law. This group contacted King’s nonprofit seeking help getting their guns back. Some have already paid more than $10,000 in legal expenses, King said.
Takeaways
The main problem with the new bill is that it offers police yet another illegal mechanism to seize someone’s guns.
Our federal law does not allow law enforcement to go traipsing through someone’s home looking for firearms that were never used in a crime, which they will then seize for no evidentiary value.
These types of laws are passed solely for one reason — harassment. They want to harass gun owners. They want gun owners temporarily disarmed and then forced to make several trips to the police station to get their property returned, at great cost, too. Don’t forget that.
Today, gun owners have fewer rights in places like New York than they do in free states. This new bill will only make it worse.
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First: If ya wanna take my stuff…get a warrant. 4th Amendment = “Supreme Law of the Land”
Second: What prevents the officers from getting a warrant to seize property? Instead of concentrating on the tool, why not improve the warrant process?
Third: The two cases the Senator cites – how would this new law have prevented them?
Fourth: If the citizen, who is not even CHARGED with a crime, cannot be trusted with a gun, how can they be trusted to be “loose on the street”? How can the “abuser” be trusted with string, knives, trucks, pressure cookers, pipes, and fertilizer?
Fifth: If the gun belongs to the abused, how can the abused protect themself during this “temporary” seizure?
Sixth: What evidence do they have that “five days” is the magic number to “keep people safe”? Why not 10? 30?
Seventh: Since this bill “mandates” officers to seize the gun, is that saying the legislators don’t trust officers’ discretion?
Eighth: How much does the INNOCENT UNLESS PROVEN GUILTY “abuser” have to pay to get their property back? Is the return process automatic? Do they have to prove their innocence? What if the police damaged / lost their property?
Ninth: Since NY confiscated 100+ guns with their “Red Flag” law, does that mean they prevented 100+ “gun violence” incidents?
Tenth: “Hallelujah! Holy sh!#! Where’s the Tylenol?!”
1) Why do people vote for these tyrants? OR
2) Why do they stay there?